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Richard
Zacks
Interviewed
by Andrew Duncan
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Richard
Zacks
is the author of History Laid Bare and An
Underground Education. A graduate of the University of Michigan
and the Columbia Journalism School, he has also written articles for the
Atlantic, Time, the Village Voice, and many other
publications.
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BookSense.com:
How did you first get interested in pirates?
Richard Zacks:
It wasn't Disney that first got me hooked, but rather Howard Pyle's Book
of Pirates, which I found on my parents' bookshelf, tucked among far
weightier tomes. I loved the illustrations of rogues and ne'er-do-wells, and
after that, Treasure
Island won me over.
I also plead guilty
to dressing up as a pirate for half a dozen Halloweens; the most recent was
1997. (I wound up barefoot at the New York Athletic Club, but that's a different
story.) Being a mostly law-abiding citizen, I have always been attracted to
criminal types; to those among us who have the nerve/gall/stupidity to break
the law, and grab whatever they want, whether it's money, women, or sporty transportation
devices.
Why Captain
Kidd in particular? What was it that intrigued you to write a book about him?
While doing research
for An
Underground Education (1997) -- a group of wise-guy, contrarian essays
about history and other topics -- I stumbled on the "true" story of Captain
Kidd, as written by one Sir Cornelius Dalton back in 1911. I was stunned to
discover that Kidd was no pirate, but rather a married war hero living in New
York City in the 1690s who was hired to chase pirates. I was especially attracted
to the fact that he was betrayed by extremely powerful men. Call it my martyr
complex, my why-is-my-book-never-in-the-front-window complex. (Z-named authors,
like Zacks, are often shelved by the floor, and Zs are always last in line.
The Pirate Hunter's reception seems to be curing me.)
One of the
most fascinating aspects of Kidd's final voyage and eventual fate is what seems
like his relentless bad luck. Do you think Kidd caused a lot of these problems
himself, or was he more a victim of circumstance?
That's
a very tough question. In The Pirate Hunter, I let the reader decide.
But as for my own personal reading of the events, I think many of Kidd's qualities
(some of them admirable) got him into trouble. For instance, his overwhelming
self-confidence (and a couple of rums) gave him the nerve to defy a commodore
and refuse to hand over 30 sailors who would be forced to serve in the Royal
Navy. That defiance led to rumors being spread about Kidd turning pirate. A
meeker man would have given over the sailors. In the same vein, at the start
of the voyage, Kidd wanted to sign on the finest, toughest sailors available
and his cockiness allowed him to sign up former pirates. A meeker man would
have sailed with a smaller, more manageable crew.
On the other hand,
I think it was sheer bad luck that Kidd traveled to pirate havens and popular
shipping lanes in the Indies, and, for more than a year, never found a pirate
ship.
Kidd was vilified
and attacked in the English judicial system right up until his death. Even with
his reputation, his treatment seems out of the ordinary. Why do you think he
was treated so cruelly? Was he being used as an example?
As one powerful
English politician put it: "Some Jonah or other must be thrown overboard if
storm [is to be avoided]." Captain Kidd had failed to serve the interests of
five of the most powerful men in England. Not only had he NOT returned with
pirate treasure, but he was accused of being hired by these four Lords and the
king to act as their own personal pirate. Scandal-mongers called the affair
"A Corporation of Pirates." Since piracy was the single biggest threat to a
mercantile empire, this was a glaring faux pas.
The English lords
and their cohorts were brilliant at what we would today call "spin control."
It was much easier to crush Kidd (and distance themselves from him) than to
explore the murky facts of his case and defend him. And these lords probably
did hope that by destroying Kidd, other would-be pirates would be deterred.
The
inclusion of Robert Culliford's story is fascinating. Considering he was more
of a pirate than Kidd ever was, why do you think Culliford is not as well known?
I agonized over
whether to give Robert Culliford almost a third of Captain Kidd's biography
and I am sooooo glad that I did. Kidd was a bounty hunter, a man trying to succeed
inside the English Establishment. Robert Culliford was an outsider, a pirate,
and I was thrilled to have the chance to explore his life. The careers of the
two of them dovetailed in dramatic ways that would make a novelist jealous.
The idea that the men would confront each other in the Indies a half a decade
after Culliford stole Kidd's ship in the Caribbean is mind-boggling.
Culliford isn't
well known mostly because author Captain Charles Johnson -- who, with his famous
book A
General History of Pirates provided the springboard for our most famous
pirates -- didn't include him. Why? Maybe they were drinking buddies. Actually
the biggest reason was that Culliford was never brought to trial, so finding
the documentary evidence on him is very hard.
In any case, fame
is very fickle. Captain Avery was the most notorious British pirate during Kidd's
lifetime, and he is pretty much forgotten today.
To me, one
of the big points of your book is that what is famously known about pirates
is based more in myth than actual fact. During your research, were you ever
completely surprised at what you uncovered?
I
was often amazed at authentic details about the pirates, like when Culliford
ordered the crew to throw china plates into the cannons to try to shred an adversary's
sails. Also, forget about the Jolly Roger...pirates flew whatever national flag
would lure the other ship to come closer. And the curses, very harsh, but more
like: "The devil rot ye" or "The pox take ye." I like the nicknames: Hugh Parrot
really was talkative.
My best research
break came when I found the diary of a prisoner held 11 months aboard Captain
Culliford's pirate ship. Biggest surprise there? After the pirates had captured
a dozen women from Siam and forced them into having sex with them, keeping them
for weeks in an out-of-the-way harbor, Captain Culliford ordered those women
to be carried to another port and set free on shore because the pirates "had
made use of their bodies." Another surprise was when Captain Culliford went
to great lengths to send a sizeable treasure home to Long Island to the widow
of a dead comrade. Honor among thieves, perhaps.
The Pirate
Hunter uses lots of quotes from primary sources. How did you accomplish
researching all the letters, court papers, etc.? How did you even find them?
The handwriting
could be quite difficult to decipher (see the Pirate
Hunter website for examples). Luckily, about half of the 1,000 or so
documents [I examined] were recopied by clerks for the record, so they are quite
legible. After a while, you get used to the syntax and the wildly inconsistent
spellings. I found "pirates" spelled three different ways in one single sentence:
pyratts, pyrates, and pyrattes.
I did most of
my research in the Public Record Office outside London. I am so glad that the
Brits don't throw anything away; they just file it away. Some of the documents
that I requested hadn't been looked at for three centuries. To find documents,
basically, you read the best scholarly works on a given subject and check the
footnotes, which give you exact references. You request those documents and
then you start nosing around in documents filed nearby, such as the dispatches
back from East Indies to the Board of Trade (in a section called "Plantations
General"), which is where I found the pirate prisoner diary. A lot of research
is hit or miss, and it takes great willpower (or else a mortgage) to leave the
table and go home.
Captain Kidd
is one of a handful of pirates known by the general populace. Why do you think
he still has a hold on the popular imagination?
The
treasure! Captain Kidd's treasure is one of those cultural landmarks. Once the
rumor mill started talking about how he was captured with about one-hundredth
of the treasure expected, people have been wondering where he hid the rest.
The truth is that the English government got almost all of it and the rest was
embezzled -- not buried.
At Kidd's death
by hanging, a clever songwriter wrote a ballad that was very popular. That also
boosted his fame. Add in Robert
Louis Stevenson mentioning "Kidd's Anchorage" in Treasure Island,
and Poe
putting the treasure in "The Gold Bug," and that sweet little monosyllable of
a last name he was born with and you have a formula for notoriety.
Are you currently
working on any new projects?
I'm under contract
to do a book on the United States war against the Barbary Pirates back in 1805.
This was the fledgling U.S. standing up to Moslem terrorists from North Africa
back when superpowers England and France paid tribute. The story packs the birth
of the U.S. Navy, and more especially the birth of the Marines. Harems, white
slaves, national honor, a daring march across the desert -- I'm excited to go
to work in the mornings.
What
are you reading these days?
I just finished
Larry McMurtry's Sin
Killer (loved it) and Gallileo's
Daughter by Dava Sobel. Both fine books. Earlier in the summer, I got
around to reading John
Adams, which really is historical non-fiction at its best, deeply rooted
in original documents but crafted with an eye for drama and emotion.
If you worked
in a bookstore, what would be on your staff picks shelf?
All three of the
books listed above, plus:
    
Do you have
a favorite bookstore?
I love Politics
and Prose[1] in D.C. and Powell's[2]
in Portland; a new favorite is Bookhampton[3] in East
Hampton. For used books, I like Down in Denver[4], in
Stephentown, N.Y.
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The
Pirate Hunter is a 2002
September/October Book Sense 76 Pick!
"This reads like a work of fiction, and I felt as if I was in New York, or on
the ship with William Kidd in 1695. A well-researched, perception-changing book,
especially for fans of such books as The
Map That Changed the World." - Scott Yanke, Scott's Books, Delano,
MN
1. Politics and
Prose, 5015 Connecticut Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC (202) 364-1919
2.
Powell's, 1005 W Burnside Portland, OR (866) 201-7601
3. Bookhampton,
20 Main Street, East Hampton, NY (631) 324-4939
4. Down In
Denver, 874 Route 43, Stephentown, NY (518) 733-6856
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